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Hissing Storm
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Red_dragon (May 16, 2008 at 3:45 AM):
If I'm not wrong in the 30's of the past century, a white spot was seen in Saturn. That spot increased until it enveloped the entire planet before disappearing. I'm not sure if it was a storm or a huge helium bubble that appeared from the deepness of Saturn; anyway, imagine if that happened again and Cassini was there to imaging it.
ulyana (May 5, 2008 at 4:43 PM):
Hello, Andrew.
I would say there is not much doubt about water ice particles, though there is ammonia on Jupiter and Saturn to precipitate as well as water. It may play a role. Lightning on Uranus and Neptune is not detected but expected. There is definitely the uncertainty about convection and observing lightning on the night side of Jupiter turns out to be a great tool in figuring out were the convection occurs. On Saturn strong updrafts shown in the figures above appear to be stronger and way less frequent than on Jupiter. The power is hard to compare because on Jupiter we estimate the optical power and have no radio data, and on Saturn there is no optical data but there is radio detections to estimate the power. And yes the updrafts are probably higher on Saturn. Mercury_3488 (May 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM):
Hi ulyana,
There would be no doubt that the lightning in all four of the outer planets (Jupiter to Neptune) is generated by the charge generated though ice crystals, as on Earth. The uncertainty lies with the exact mechanism of how internal heat particularly with Jupiter, Saturn & Neptune convects the atmosphere & the relationships with the ice & other compounds, how they may contribute to lightning generation. Almost certainly Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus & Neptune have rain, snow & hail, possibly giant hail (I saw something once that suggested that Jupiter, Saturn & Neptune could have hailstones the size of footballs, don't know if that is still thought to be so). The Galileo spacecraft saw thunderheads rise 50 KM or more above the general cloud deck in Jupiter's atmosphere. Don't know about Saturn, although with Saturn, the thunderheads should rise even higher due to the much weaker gravity, unbless the updraghts are weaker than Jupiter's. Andrew Brown. ulyana (May 5, 2008 at 12:47 PM):
The mechanism of lightning generation on Saturn and Jupiter is not completely understood. However both planets are expected to have water clouds, which are the best candidates for lightning generation. If this is the case, lightning generation should be similar to the one in terrestrial thunderstorms - by separation of charges carried by hail, rain, and ice particles falling down at different speeds.
Red_dragon (Apr 30, 2008 at 2:23 AM):
Great stuff. It seems the famous "Dragon Storm" has returned.
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